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school. the river there is rising and is expected to crest later this afternoon. we'll keep our eye on that. this storm is packing high winds as the cam ro shoera shows us f liberty international airport in newark, new jersey. that's one airport experiencing delays. call your carrier if you're heading out today. hundreds of thousands of customers are without power in the region. more on that in just a moment. plus, several neighborhoods in the nation's capital are flooded. the heavy rain on top of melting snow from the winter's record snowfall are inundating washington, d.c. and surrounding areas. so, how much longer is this stubborn system going to stick around? the weather channel's kim perez joins me now live from atlanta with the details. kim? >> we'll continue to see this storm impact us here in the east over the next couple of days. so it is not over. with you thing we will see are winds calming down for folks in new york, philadelphia over the next 12 hours. there's the area of low
pressure. north of it we're still getting the very strong winds especially around the boston area. plus that onshore flow continues. three to five inches of rain expected around boston today. in boston you can expect flooding, maybe power outages, and those winds continue to gust maybe over 50 miles per hour, stronger out here at the cape and some of the islands. please be careful. travel headaches you're going to expect all day long. major delays once again expec d expected. philadelphia, may and few thunderstorms coming in off and on today. big story is the winds will calm down as this low works up the coast. the onshore flow continues. look how slowly this is going to be moving. we're still dealing with it monday afternoon, even into tuesday in the northern new england area. it is not until wednesday we are totally rid of this system. and expect maybe some areas picking up a half a foot of snow in some of the higher elevations. back to you. >> of course, this is causing major headaches all across the east coast. let's get right to nbc's michelle franzen live in the
newsroom with power outages, travel delays, storm damage. what are the biggest trouble spots out there? >> certainly the focus today will be on flooding and restoring power to several hundred thousand in the northeast and mid-atlantic. the powerful storm southwest through leaving behind a mess of debris and also taking down power lines. at one point at many as a half million customers were without power. whether it was in the suburbs or big cities. the latest figures are increasing as this morning continues. the latest, more than 138,000 customers in new york city in the metro area. 103,000 in new jersey. hundreds in washington, d.c., delaware and maryland. airports it will be a tough day to get out once again. the region is working to get operations back to normal after five and six-hour delays at new york's jfk and newark airports on saturday. with wind gusts reaching hurricane strength. jfk airport recorded a
74-mile-per-hour wind gust. about 500 passengers were stranded on a new jersey transit train for six to seven hours because of flooding on the tracks. but whether it was the rails or the airports, most of the travelers know they have to take everything in stride. >> we had kind of a bumpy flight so we're ready to get back and be in our dorms and we got stuck on the train for a while so that was disappointing. >> we've been talking all morning about that storm damage causing some pretty extensive damage in some areas. high winds sent a crane on top of a casino crashing to the ground in atlanta tiic city, ne jersey. a police officer was hurt. south to maryland, residents there are cleaning up around the mess today. gusting winds in montgomery county knocked trees down on to homes. lynn, that big test now as this morning continues, how the creeks and rivers will handle all this rain runoff and snow melt. many are already spilling their banks and could crest in the
coming days. >> for more on where the storm is headed next, head to weather.com. developing now, another strong earthquake to report to you this morning, this time in japan. let's right right to nbc's stephanie gosk monitoring the situation from london. stephanie, good morning to you. >> good morning, lynn. japan is used to really strong earthquakes. they have a history of them. it is one of the most active places in the world. today was not the big one, it was 6.6 magnitude on the richter scale. it definitely shook some things. tokyo is 200 miles from the epicenter of this earthquake that was actually off the coast of japan off the island of honchu where tokyo is located. japan has this early detection device that allows them to predict an earthquake about three, four, five seconds before it happens. they are able to alert people in the country. nhk, the japanese broadcasters
interrupted their broadcast to tell people to seek cover. it is a kind of time, though it sounds like not much, it is the kind of time in an earthquake that can actually mean the difference between life and death for some people. >> absolutely. but this seems like they sort of dodged a bullet, no major damage or injuries and that is a huge relief. but we're hearing also of a quake in indonesia. of course the first thing that comes to mind, tsunami warnings. what do we know about that? >> well, that quake was a 6.4 magnitude earthquake. it was 34 miles underneath the ocean floor so it was a pretty deep earthquake. not that big. immediately you think tsunami, as you said. there were no major tsunami warnings. they did say there might be a localized small tsunami in that area but too far from land to make any impact. people there of course are extremely sensitive after that devastating earthquake a few years ago. >> stephanie gosk, thank you so much. we appreciate it. other top stories today, an american woman and three others
arrested in ireland over an alleged assassination plot have been freed without charge. 31-year-old jamie ramirez was one of seven arrested this week in ireland in an alleged plot to assassinate a swedish cartoonist who drew a controversial picture of the prophet mohammed. irish police say three others who were also arrested are still in custody. a california community is remembering a high school student who police say was murdered by a convicted sex offender. saturday 5,000 mourners gathered at a school football field to honor chelsea king. the 17-year-old's body was found last week where she had gone jogging just days earlier. as part of the emotional ceremony, chelsea's mother thanked her daughter's classmates for their support. >> you have all comforted us in our darkest time of need. i had no idea the depth of human compassion possible until this tragic event. >> registered sex offender john
garner is charged in her death and is also under investigation in the death of a 14-year-old girl whose remains were found last week. earlier this morning former secretary of state henry kissen ger left a south korean hospital after an overnight stay. the 86-year-old was admitted after complaining of stomach pains. a hospital spokesman says he did not undergo any major treatment. kissinger arrived in south korea earlier this week to attend a security forum. president obama is getting back on the road tomorrow to push his plan for health care reform. as he works to rally support in ohio, house leaders will be on capitol hill trying to win the support of a few reluctant democrats. on "meet the press" this morning, white house senior advisor david axlerod said he was confident the plan will be passed and was ready to take on those who oppose it. >> if the republican party wants to go out and say to that child who now has insurance, or say to that small business that will get tax credits this year if he signs the bill to help their
employees get health care, if they want to say to them, you know what? we're actually going to take that away, we don't think that's such an idea. i'd say make my day, i'm ready for that fight. every member of congress ought to be willing to have that debate as well. >> nbc's mike viqueira joins us this morning from the white house. good morning. you heard axlerod right there saying if they seem optimistic. the question is, is this more of a game face or do they have the numbers? because this is a numbers game. >> right, they don't have the numbers. jim clyburn is the democratic whip in the house of representatives. he comes from south carolina and he told nbc's tom brokaw this morning on "meet the press" that we don't have the numbers yet, speaking of house democrats. david axlerod there railing against republicans. the trouble for democrats and president obama, as they start to twist arms heading into this climactic week, lynn, is that they do not have one single republican vote so they're going to have to do it with republicans. there is a substantial majority
of democrats in both houses of congress. the problem in the house of representatives, many of those democrats come from republican-leaning districts. and 39 of them voted against an earlier version of health care when it came through the house in november. so the task before jim clyburn, nancy pelosi, right on up to president obama as he postponed that trip to asia just for the purpose of twisting the arms of some of those reluctant democrats who are on the record already as voting no against this bill. now, it's going to be a different bill. it is going to be somewhat less expensive. it is going to correct some of the more egregious in their view items that are in the senate bill, like the cornhusker kick-back. they'll try to make it more affordable to try to make it more attractive to fence-sitters. as of right now they don't have the votes. you look at it from the outside, and if they had the votes you think they'd have already voted right now. that's the way it works on capitol hill. >> the president is putting himself to in front of this obviously because this is his
legislation, this is his baby. but he's going to be spending the next week making those phone calls, twisting arms. if this doesn't pass, what will this mean for this administration? >> well, this is a signature issue. white house officials have said, in case it is not clear to everyone at this point after the town halls he's been making over the past two weeks, he's going to ohio tomorrow for another event surrounding health care after the visits he's already had and phone calls he's already made to house members. the president's all in. in some of the visits that he has had, he's hosted members of congress here at the white house, he's told them flat out, list listen, if we lose on health care my presidency is going to be significantly weakened. items like energy and immigration, forget about them, we won't have the political capital to do it. there is a lot on the line here, not only as matter of policy and health care reform but as a matter of politics and the future of this presidency, lynn. >> lawsuitly a awsuitly. and a lot of work to be done. thank you, mike viqueira from the white house.
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to thailand now. tens of thousands swarmed into bangkok. demonstrators known as red shirts believe the prime minister came into power illegitimately and they want him to call new elections. renovation is under way for remow de re rio de janeiro's famous statue. conservationists expect a makeover to be done by june. the postal service is facing some big challenges. major budget shortfalls are forcing the u.s. agency to consider closing down offices, raise postage rates and rethink saturday mail delivery all together. what if the mail only came a few days a week? is that a solution? joining me now, rick newman, the chief business correspondent for "u.s. news & world report." you suggest that they should cut back on every other day delivering the mail. what about competition? do they need to get in the game to compete with things like
e-mail, things that are making them bleed out? >> critics of the postal service love to say it is just inefficie inefficient. if you let private companies run it, it would solve all the problems. not sure that would happen. first, the postal service is required to deliver to every address in the united states. that's 150 million addresses. they have to drive a truck miles out into the country whether they make money on that or not. that's one of the problems is they lose money on all that universal service. the idea that some company could come in and do that for cheaper, not necessarily. what about more competition? the fact is the postal service already is competing with fedex an u.p.s. that's a part of the business that makes money. the other part is what are you supposed to do about that? there is already competition there, just not the way you think. everybody uses e-mail today. that competes with the postal service. some people think maybe the postal service should be able to get into those businesses. it is not allowed to do that. >> explain to people why this
organization is so different. >> this is a quasi corporation. laws say you have to deliver to everybody in america and do it at a reasonable price. the postal service can't operate like a normal company which can close down underperforming post offices and things like that. but it is not funded by taxpayers so it has to cover its own expenses and it can't do that. >> their hands are sort of tied. what are ramifications for folks at home? people have to get their mail regardless of the fact that they may be using e-mail more, they shouldn't be punished by not getting their mail. >> like many other government agencies the postal service is running up a huge deficit and no one's sure what to do about it. they'll lose $240 billion over the next decade if something doesn't change. >> put it into perspective. >> that is five times the amount of money general motors lost before it went into bankruptcy. no company can lose $240 billion
and stay in business. billions doesn't sound like very much money to these, it is to a bank. >> increasing postage stamps won't put a big dent into the issues they have. >> not at all. the post master's stuck in a box where he poses reforms but it is always controversial when it goes to congress. nobody wants major changes to the postal service. i'm a writer, i say let's consider something radical. maybe we only get our mail every other day or some big changes like that. >> rick, thank you. another day of miserable weather in the northeast. now half a million customers are without power. an update at the bottom of the hour. you're watching msnbc sunday.fov . fidelity introduces one new low price. $7.95 for every online equity trade. you want more? now trade ishares etfs online for free. 25eading choices. all commission-free. $7.95 trades and commission-free etfs. expect more and get it. only with fidelity. open an account today at fidelity.com.
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a california highway patrol officer helped stop him. now according to a memo obtained by the associated press, investigators with toyota and the federal government have doubts about his story. they apparently tested the car and were unable to duplicate the problems sikes says he encountered. despite toyota's troubles, sales are up sharply because dealers are offering big incentives, all after toyota saw every other major carmaker take advantage of the company's global recall with stronger sales in february. but with questions on car safety still plaguing toyota, how are xhan convin salesman convincing customers the risk is worth the reward? phil, good morning to you. before we get to the inseb tici, talk about the claim in california. how do you see all of this playing out? >> well, from the very beginning some of the testimony of what he described really didn't match up
with what happens in a prejust. for example, he said he didn't put it into neutral because he was afraid that the car would flip. he was also afraid it would go into reverse. if you are faced with a life threatening situation, i think that would be the last of your concerns. also it appeared as if the chp officer actually stopped the car and it didn't. so right from the beginning i think a lot of people, a lot of editors here were saying that it really seemed like something was wrong with his account. >> frightening because the impact of these stories weigh heavily on toyota and the public perception. getting to the bottom of this is extremely important. >> right. this came out as testimony in washington was going on. you can imagine that the impact that must have had. but now that it appears that this might not be everything that it was described, this could perhaps turn the tide on future run-away prius stories and i think people will look a little more closely at them. >> even before we heard this new development, we're seeing some major shifts in public opinion
of this and whether it is due to incentives or people just confident in the brand. you at edmonds are seeing a buyer interest raising at 40% in the last month. people may be shocked by that because your initial reaction would be, well, people are going to give it time to play out and see how this all works itself out but looks like people are sticking to t ining to the bran. >> it's interesting. since all the recalls were announced we've seen quite a bit of buyer interest. we can monitor what people are looking at on our site. it is a little bit counterintuitive. people are thinking well, if there are problems with the recalls, perhaps i can get a really good deal. this is very significant because the prius is something that's been selling for over sticker prices for years. so there's a number of people that are saying i can jump in and get a good deal right now. that's actually been going on rather significantly since the very beginning of all of toyota's troubles. >> what do you make of that of people putting maybe the
potential dangers ahead of the potential incentives? not that we're saying there are potential dangers, just that they are putting that ahead of it. >> that's quite true. it shows that people maybe have a lot more faith in toyota than anybody expected. the recalls are playing very big in the news but it is really not translating. there are a lot of people sticking to the toyota brand. there are a lot of people that are, frankly, just thinking this is a great time to get a good deal. >> phil reid, thank you so much for your perspective. more on our unprecedented look at the u.s. navy s.e.a.l.s. they undergo the toughest training in the military with the drop-out rate of 75%. while their missions are long, dangerous and extremely secretive, life back at home for their families can also be difficult. nbc's chris jansing has more on the silent warriors. >> for the mendosa family, this
quiet walk in their neighborhood shows just one-half of their double life. r raymond is a navy s.e.a.l. the mythical image of a s.e.a.l., the daring, efficient warrior can look very different from home. >> i take care of the yard, i take care of the finances, the cooking. >> reporter: for at least 250 days a year, s.e.a.l.s are either deployed on some of the most dangerous missions in the military or training for them. and 4-year-old zoe doesn't understand why daddy isn't home. >> see the birds? >> she's a very sensitive child. she wakes up and she doesn't see him, like she knows, like she'll cry. >> do you feel like a single mom? >> i am a single mom. >> i wouldn't want to do her job. not in a million years. >> reporter: that from a man who's done three back-to-back deployments in iraq. could you have imagined the things that you've seen?
>> no, of course not. no. >> reporter: on the streets of ramadi, in the i hadal middle enemy ambush, he carried his best friend to safety under heavy fire. >> you see your brothers or best friends go through certain things. you're not prepared. we all think we're invincible. >> reporter: elliott survived but lost his leg. for felice, it was a reality check. >> it affects us as a family and it affects him because that could have been your husband. you know? in a wheelchair. >> reporter: again, that double life. very different from what she imagined when she and ray were high school sweet hearts. and yet one they continue to choose. >> we have one life. why not give it to your country? at least my heartache, my sorrow, my lonely nights, it's
for something. >> reporter: for bravery, ray mendosa was awarded the silver star. felice says her reward is that he came home. chris jansing, nbc news. thousands of power outages across the northeast in the wake of this nor'easter. we'll have an update in moments. also, why some states are saying not so fast when it comes to sending you your tax refund. why you could be waiting months before getting your money. what? that's right. we'll tell but it when we come back. you're watching msnbc sunday. ♪ [ male announcer ] you can get a lot of water where you least expect it. like in here. this detergent has this much cleaning ingredients. the rest is water. but with tide, you get more cleaning ingredients --
developing now, it is a stormy sunday on the east coast with strong winds and heavy rain battering the region this morning. utilities crews are pushing through fallen trees and wind-blown debris to reach downed power lines trying to restore power to hundreds of thousands of customers who are waking up in the dark this morning. joining my live on the phone,
the executive director of communications with long island power authority in new york. thank you so much for being with us. i know you guys have a lot going on. most importantly we want to know how many customers are being affected right now by these power outages in your area? >> hi. good morning. we currently have about 101,000 outages. at the height of the storm last night we had 222,000. as you can see, we've restored about 120,000 and we have crews that are on deck, we have all available crews plus additional manpower from neighboring utilities to assist us in restoring power and removing the downed power lines. >> a lot of issues that some of your colleagues are experiencing is they're seeing downed trees, flooded streets. they're having trouble getting to the power lines. are you experiencing the same challenges? >> navigation of course is an issue. however, we're on long island, we are a suburban area. yes, lots of trees are down blocking passageways but crews
are looking for additional passageways to enable us to get to sites we may not be able to. >> how long do you anticipate before we can get power back to these customers? >> they're going to be long duration outages. however, we expect that at least 50% of our outages we will have up and running by tomorrow morning. and then the additional amount of that, probably by tuesday. >> already, we appreciate that update. we'll check back with you in a bit. big flooding in washington august and surrounding areas. let's get a check with derek ward tracking that from wrc. we had a situation in alexandria, virginia. is the flooding still a big issue? >> reporter: lynn, we are in old town alexandria, just across the potomac river from washington, d.c. take a look. we're at the bottom of kink street and north union in old town where the tide has just started to recede. you look at the vehicle in the middle of the intersection giving you a sense of how high the water is.
at high tide today the water is about where we are standing now, maybe about half a block from where the line of the water is right now. folks who live around here say this historically isn't the worst it's been. during hurricane isabel it was about twice as bad as it is now. businesses have been preparing for this event. notice there are a lot of sandbags in some of the doorways. the city began passing those out yesterday because this was indeed expected. a couple of businesses in the low-lying part of the street had to shut down today because they've had several inches of water inside. so the significance of this seems to be over but the key part will be the cleanup once it is all over. we're in alexandria be, back to you, lynn. >> thank you so much. in a few minutes we'll check in on the situation in massachusetts. they've been hit hard. we'll get a report from weather channel's mike seidel. stick around for that. but first, there's new unsettling information this morning on the victims of the
"dating game" serial killer. three photographs of women found among the hundreds of pictures discovered in a storage facility this week have been linked to missing persons cases. rodney alcala was sentenced to death in california tuesday for the rape and murder after 12-year-old girl in 1979 and four other previously unsolved murders. what does this mean? so disturbing. let's check in with investigator reporter michelle segona for the latest. there are probably a lot of people sitting at home as we flip through some of these photographs, some of these cold cases that were never solved and will this give any hope for families out there? >> what i encourage those families to do is to contact the orange county district attorney's office along with the huntington police. they have cds available full of pictures of these women, young boys, young girls, so they can have these pictures at their home and be able to look through them to see if there is any
resemblance to maybe their missing loved one, possibly a cold case that they're somehow connected to in that area and to contact the hunting t inhunting police department or orange county district attorney's office. >> talk about this convicted serial killer. what's his m.o.? what do we know about how he operated? he's called "the dating game" serial killer because he was on "the dating game." he operated quite differently than a normal serial killer would have. >> what is interesting, when he appeared on that game show he was actually convicted of raping an 8-year-old child prior to being on the show. >> prior? >> yes, prior tok on the show. but back in the '70s, we didn't have the internet. we didn't have a lot of t technology we have. he served a 34-month sentence. he's very charismatic, very engaging, someone that maybe you
would link to -- as a matter of fact, he even won that dating show game but the woman decided in the end she didn't want to go out on a date with him. what's also interesting, what investigators have said, look, in these type of cases -- i know personally from working on a lot of murder cases -- that murderers do keep trophies. that's what investigators really fear in this case, a lot of these pictures could be trophies of some of his victims. now so far we do know two have come forward. they have been identified. they are safe and doing well. they were babies. we're just going to move forward hoping we can identify all of these people. >> inkrcredibly disturbing. thank you for your perspective. the nasty storm battering the east coast this morning is our top story. the weather channel's mike seidel is just north of the boston. mike, what's the situation like there? >> reporter: well, we're in the meat of the storm today. it is not quite as windy as it was last night. yesterday evening around new york city we had hurricane-force wind gusts. numerous power outages.
up here we've had some power outages too but gusts have been 50 to 55 miles an hour. look out here, you can see those small boats bobbing up and down. we're not getting a lot of wave action, but we're still getting sustained winds around boston to 30 miles an hour, gusting to around 40. as this storm creeps toward cape cod will stay in that gradient of wind. wind won't back off until late tomorrow. it will still be breezy on tuesday. also the fetch of moisture up the atlantic continues. pockets of moderate to heavy rain across southeast mass, into vermont, new hampshire, and that means another three inches-plus of rain of what's already fallen. we're still concerned about some stream and river flooding, localized flash flooding. and if that's not bad enough, in jersey where a lot of people lost power, we had those high winds yesterday and through the evening. now we've got some thunderstorms of all things popping up with 40-degree temperatures. fortunately, their they're
isolated and moving very quickly but just adding insult to injury from this wild storm. it will be wednesday before we get the sun back out and get warmer weather here in this part of the northeast. back to you. >> absolutely, mike. thank you so much for a look at that. in our next hour, the parents worried about the hottest thing to hit the internet in months. but first, how would you like to wait an extra five months for your tax refund? what? frustrating? well, it is a reality for many americans and it is all because more states need the money. so is this fair? we'll talk about it coming up next.
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the press" this morning. >> this bill will help us achieve fiscal responsibility in this country. the biggest driving cost for the federal government is health care and unless we do something to change, as economists say, to bend the cost curve and build economies into our health care system, we're going to have a huge problem down the line. >> let's bring in the associate editor and columnist with "the hill" newspaper, a.b. stoddard. good morning. first, you heard david axlerod right there, you hear the white house trying to tap in to that economic frustration going through the american public right now. but other people say, wait a second, more government spending may not be the answer and frustration on the other side. >> what's been so interesting about this entire debate is the inability of the president and the white house team to communicate to the insured population and to sell reform as a component of their own economic security in a time when
we continue to lose jobs and everybody, employed and unemployed, are feeling so anxious. so the fact that they're trying to now call it a deficit reducer, now call it a component of economic security, it is an effective argument, it is coming very much at the 11th hour. it was not when they were succeeding in making all these turbulent months and chaotic months of the legislative process. but i think at this point the most important thing is the inside game. i think that behind closed doors they've convinced democrats that their votes in support of both bills already in the house and senate chambers are politically toxic enough that if they don't make this law they will suffer the consequences far worse than the ones they'll face this f they actually have a law behind them. >> you bring up a good point. the answer is whether or not they just get this done. it really doesn't matter about public opinion because they can get the votes and just have this pass. so what are the implications for president obama if it does not?
because we heard mike viqueira say he doesn't have the votes. >> mike is right. as of this morning they don't have the votes. as soon as they have the votes, we'll know it because they'll slap that thing on the floor. we won't know which hold-outs come around until the morning or night of that vote. it wouldn't be prudent for them to come out on monday and say "the leadership has changed my mind." we'll know the final tally when it comes but i think as i said before, that argument is taking hold behind closed doors. if you're already taken that vote, you'll pay the consequences of that vote anyway, republicans will pound you for it. president obama's making the case and he is correct that if you want immigration reform, if you want energy reform, if you want education reform, very heavy lifts, we have to build momentum by passing something and showing the american people, showing the republicans that we can muscle things through and we have the guts to face the political consequences. if health care reform doesn't make it through, that agenda
really grinds to a halt and that's bad as president obama argues not only for him but for all the democrats as well. >> a lot of items on the agenda. thanks so much, a.b. this year many of us will have to wait a little bit longer to get our tax refund checks. with just one month until tax day, april 15th, officials in new york, alabama, hawaii, kansas and north carolina say they could possibly delay the distribution of tax refund checks. what? karen hunter is a pulitzer prize winning journalist and publisher, and steve is a visiting professor at seton hall university. i hear this and think, what? i pay my taxes in good faith that i will get that back at the end of the day. what's going on here? >> lynn, it's more cities than
that. if you're getting a refund, you've overpaid. that means the government has had your money for the last nine months, hopefully in an interest-bearing account. now when you need your money back they're saying, we don't have it? where did it go? >> well, budget shortfalls. is that a good enough excuse? >> here's the problems. rules are changing in the middle of the game. people say you vunt change the rules. no, you have to change the rules. i'm not saying okay, i'm saying understandable. in new jersey we have the highest property taxes in the nation. new governor comes in, people say they want change. he says you know what? i'm not sure we can afford those tax rebates anymore. people say, wait a minute, you promised. you reality is if you have a $11 billion or $12 billion budget gap as we do in new jersey and a massive one on the federal level, everyone says spend less but they want theirs? >> however, they take this money out of our paychecks every two weeks. social security, medicare, things we are paying into. i will probably not get a social security check when i retire. i pay into medicare, something
i'll probably never take advantage of. if i'm unemployed the government is not there for the time i need money. >> let's not kid ourselves, we'll get it, it is a question of when we get it. some people get nothing. >> doesn't interest kick in of after 90 days? >> the government will -- listen, there are laws in place here but there are unemployment situations as well where people are supposed to be on unemployment for a certain amount of time, government can't afford it. everyone says they want less government. government spend less. when it comes down to my getting my money, it's like i want everything you promised me. >> you work hard -- somebody's not doing their job so i got to be penalized because somebody's not doing their job? we're working hard. we deserve to get our money especially in this economy. this is our money that they don't deserve to have anyway. it is a surplus. >> doesn't steve make a point in the sense that we get public schools, we get parks, we get -- >> you're paying for it though.
>> and it costs more than people realize. here's the thing. everyone says get rid of the number of employees we have, lay off all kinds of public employees. sounds great on paper. change is a great slogan in a campaign. try to do it in government. the first time do you it, unions bash you. people want their parks open longer, they want their libraries open longer, moat vehicles open longer. what happened? >> people are thinking to themselves, there's so much waste in government. >> the post office is now closing on saturdays, which many of us are feeling that pinch. >> do you say there is no waste in government? >> yes, there is. to say it and identify it are two different things. >> some people at home say get rid of the waste, not my tax refund yet. >> i don't want to get into a complex issue of civil service, you just can't fire them. they may bump down, somebody else gets that, the point is this is more complex.
to say we're wasting money, get rid of the waste, that's a great slogan particularly for republicans. to get it done is harder. >> that's the attitude that has us landed in this situation now. >> what is that? >> where we have all this debt and none of these states can pay for things. reality is we work, we're hard-working citizens. we deserve to get the services and we're not getting them. the least we can do is get our refund. least we can do is get our refund that we've given you -- give me a break. to me this is not even about civics and government. is about what's fair. we pay the money in, we deserve to get it back. they vunt have it . >> we just see the reaction sitting around the table talking about it. imagine when it affects your paycheck and your bottom line of what's coming into your household. still ahead, why the faa wants airlines to check hundreds of airplanes. more on that and much more on wered by the wind on the plains.
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the faa has issued an emergency air worthiness directive for at least 600 boeing 737s. a recent emergency landing due to vibration in the tail has mechanics inspecting a mechanism that controls the tail flaps for damage. joining me now, retired american airlines pilot and flight instructor tom casey. tom, good morning to you. this is the most flown airliner in the country? what does this mean for folks, what's an air worthiness test? >> air worthiness directive is a directive issued by the faa for typically inspection of parts that have been discovered to have wear damage, let's say, or as you say, there was an incident that will tip the faa off to an area of inspection that they should look at. >> are they out of date? what are the oldest 737s flying? >> i guess they're 30 years old. more. but this is not an untypical
thing. this happens from time to time and it's part of the mosaic of safety procedures that takes place during the lifetime of any aircraft. >> so let's talk about this 787, the dreamliner, folks are looking at bells and whistles. how is this different? >> in a lot of ways, from a pilot's standpoint. but they made it from an engineering standpoint. for example, it's 20% more efficient than any other airplane of its size and this is because it doesn't have bleed air used to pressurize the airplane or heat the wings. that means they're using electric motors and pumps and that means that the engine won't be compromised by having air drawn off of it. >> then it is more fuel efficient. >> more fuel efficient and lighter because you don't have the ducting that's required to cool the air and heat exchangers and so on. from a cockpit standpoint, it has a heads-up display which is like when you see in the military when you look through a transparent presentation or
through flight instruments. >> they've done several test flights. in fact they had one today but this has been delayed, the actual launch has been delayed. what's that mean? >> it's delayed for a variety of reasons, one of which is the plane has been put together in a variety of countries around the world. parts are shipped for assembly. they've had problems there. they don't build it in the hangar anymore. they had a machinist strike in 2008, i believe, and that slowed things down a little bit. >> you're not anticipating this to be a little bit of -- >> i think it is going to be a fabulous machine. it is state of the art design by computers and uses all the technology we've built up over the last 80 years. >> if it is more fuel efficient we should expect prices on it to be cheaper? >> of course. >> from your mouth to boeing's ears. thank you so much, we appreciate it. still ahead, the latest on flight delays and the struggle to get power restored on the east coast. latest from the weather channel at the top of the hour.
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